April Cherpaw with James Horak on CKUW - Where Angels Fear to Tread | July 2019

Where Angels Fear to Tread

The “Powers That Would-Be” have made their intentions quite clear: they need us divided, confused and in a state of fear. Do we really want to live like this?

Where Angels Fear to Tread seeks a way through and past these dark Intentions. There are only two states: LOVE/FEAR. We have the option to choose what is best for our well-being and what is best for the future. The way through is simply to choose Love over Fear. Most humans are inherently good and we need only remember this while looking into the darkness and seeking a better way to live.

Join us each Saturday as we expose the nature of some of these problems in our world while exploring possible solutions to some of the more troubling and disturbing agendas which are coming more and more into the light as humanity is waking up.

We can take back our power and realize that the minority of humanity – the “Powers That Would-Be” – are far outnumbered by those of us who are loving, caring, and remaining hopeful in spite of the wide spread corruption and greed we see going on in our world.

Where Angels Fear to Tread broadcasts every Saturday from 3:00pm – 4:00pm CST.

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Mechanized Spirituality – James Horak on FreemanTV | May 2018

MECHANIZED SPIRITUALITY –

JAMES HORAK

"Man's off planet origins and refined cosmology to free humanity from control and tyranny from a man that claims to not be from here. Let's explore the 300,000+ years of mankind's life on planet Earth. Are there extraterrestrials out there waiting to help? Do sentient beings the size of continents orbit the sun to save life in the solar system from certain doom due to solar flares? Are Electromagnetic Vehicles extracting surplus energy from our Sun and are E.T civilizations helping us prevent total annihilation of our species and the Earth?" - Freeman

Originally recorded for FreemanTV. To listen to the second hour with James Horak on FreemanTV requires a subscription which is $7 per month.

ABOUT FREEMAN

Freeman has lectured around the world and he unveils the inner-workings of secret societies such as, the Freemasons and shows you the direction this New World is going. Freeman starts where Alex Jones leaves off. In the spirit of David Icke and James Redfield, Freeman illustrates a world that is both cosmic and miraculous. He presents hope displayed in the creative spirit of humanity.

James C. Horak reveals in his book Siege in the Davis Mountains what the objects in the Corona of the Sun, photographed by NASA/ESA, are. In deference to Dr. Norman Bergrun he describes the EMVs - Electro-Magnetic Vehicles and explains Humanities Call on this Planet now. 

"This work assumes some demand on the reader but then a little research may be all that is required from time to time. Grant but possibility and, whether you accept my personal story or not, the purpose of this work has its own credibility. As an end to this lineage became more apparent, I came to feel more and more compelled to approach mankind with what I could offer." JCH

James C. Horak starts the book when Black Ops prosecuted the secession of the Republic of Texas from the Union to provoke the declaration of martial law and subsequent deployment of UN-troops on US-grounds. When his former wife in 1996 got involved, he was able to stop this staged false flag event with the help of the authorities. Three years later another false flag to provoke martial law was prevented when he notified the FBI, Matt Drudge and Mayor Giuliani of a black operation briefing-video to prepare riots during the Y2K New Years Eve celebration at Times-Square, N.Y.C. "These are a true stories. Told in parts where breaks in its continuum demand the digression just to appreciate its complexity. For the way of truth is seldom textured to fit chronology, especially where dark truths are revealed."

Available at Kobo: Siege in the Davis Mountains

Mark Snider - Fukushima Round Table Discussion with James Horak and Guests

The cores on all three reactors melted down. These are the events that caused these reactors to melt down:

The water in the containment vessel evaporated because the pumps that keep the coolant water flowing were disabled by the flooding waters of the tsunami.

The nuclear fuel became uncovered and heated up to a temperature of 2,300 degrees celsius.

The nuclear fuel melted and mixed with the materials in the containment vessel.

This melted core formed a magma called corium which flowed down to the bottom of the reactor vessel.

The corium pierced the containment vessel and fell on the concrete containment.

Currently we don't know what quantity of corium has fallen and how deep did the corium pierce the concrete containment vessel!


Ohio Exopolitics: blogtalkradio.com/ohioexopolitics

Source: blogtalkradio.com/ohioexopolitics/2013/12/26/fukushima-round-table-discussion-2

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Crystal Clark - Cosmology & Perpetuated Ignorance: What We Were Never Told & Why. January 25th, 2013

Source: drowninginabsurdity.wordpress.com



In a previous article I explained and defined the four walls of our manufactured thought prison—a prison designed to keep us locked into a perpetual state of ignorance via pre-defined misunderstandings of reality that are DICTATED TO US by those whose power is protected by those misunderstandings. Further, this form of ignorance is critical in building an inequitable two-party class system wherein one class ends up ruling over the other.

This imposed model of dichotomy facilitates, and therefore continually re-creates the master-and-slave construct, whether we refer to it as serfdom, class warfare, breakaway civilization, or the manufactured gap between the 1% and the 99%. In either or every case, proper knowledge and the ability to control, constrict, restrict and censor the flow and use of that knowledge, is where the real power over others lies. In more distilled terms, secrecy from them = bad for us—even where cosmology is concerned. To re-emphasize this point, I’m going to quickly reiterate it philosophically via pattern recognition before I reference sources of cosmological knowledge that our global handlers never bothered to share with the rest of us.


The fact that knowledge is power, and therefore hoarding/hiding it leads to power over others, is the same reason slaves were not taught to read and write in the past, and why current government-driven educational mandates like No Child Left Behind are teaching (y)our children not to think for themselves, but rather to memorize and repeat (misguided) answers that have been pre-defined and dictated TO them. The same fate has befallen what we once knew as journalism, which is why news anchors are now commonly referred to as “talking heads” or parrots. While this very same gap of knowledge and experience naturally exits between a child and an adult (as opposed to the unnatural and manufactured gap between the adult haves and the adult have-nots), it is also the basis for the ease in which a child can be emotionally manipulated into believing a boogey man lives under the bed. Lack of proper knowledge and emotional manipulation always go hand-in-hand, regardless of the time, genre, or field it is associated with.

Read Full Article here: COSMOLOGY & PERPETUATED IGNORANCE: WHAT WE WERE NEVER TOLD & WHY by Crystal Clark

James Horak on 2012, False Flag ET Attack and other Topics with Mark Snider of Ohio Exopolitics

by Ohio Exopolitics with Mark Snider

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ohioexopolitics/2012/12/21/james-horak-on-2012-false-flag-et-attack-and-other-topics


Mark Snider invited James Horak back to OhioExopolitcs for James to give a rundown through our ancestral heritage and the six lineages that humanity has gone through. Spiced with many episodes from James' rich life, we of course are also confronted with the concerns about what lies ahead to get past that fifty fifty chance we have for survival.

James Horak and David Corso on Wolf Spirit Radio - 13.12.2012

James Horak and David Corso first talk about the expectations for December 21. and the hopes we have for the future of humanity. From there on they do some frank talking, no more secrets, James is not holding back.

Another concern of James is to show how promising people are marginalized and that the educational system in general is serving this agenda.

When Thomas Hughes is joining the conversation with James and David, he is sharing his amazing encounters with Sasquatch. Many other anomalies are explored by the three that all have a remarkable wealth of experiences to share.

This is an edited version, cut down from 3:45 hours to 1:38 hours.

The original interview may be available at some time at:
http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=01_Wolf_Spirit_Radio
http://www.wolfspiritradio.com

21.12.2012 - The Return of Electric Consciousness

In this conversation Torz and Shuny had with James, he revealed what will really happen on this long awaited day on 21st of December when the Sun and the Galactic Center, in Mayan language the HunabKu and in Asia is called the OM, align. Humanity will get a taste of Unified Consciousness for at least three days. We will receive an expansion of the human consciousness that will enable us to see through the artificial matrix that the powers that still are have created for us.

If more wake up to their deep senses, it will avalanche, hopefully its effects will go much further than a mere demonstration. No one is going to miss it and it won't be harmful.

For a while earth's gravity wave will be stable and some may be given mental prowess they didn't have before but some won't return from the dream state that is their unreality of their reality.

Welcome this new energy, its community-seeking and share with others your expectations and how you perceive it. This cosmic wave will arrive in the night of the 21st to the 22nd of December.

"Soon you will see days in seconds, years in hours, eons in a lifetime. Endlessly in travel you cannot imagine. JCH"

Books referenced to in this conversation:
Mayan Shaman Ac Tah - "Night of the Last Katun"
http://actah2012.com/index.php
Dr. Eben Alexander - "Proof of Heaven - A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife"
http://www.lifebeyonddeath.net/home

James C. Horak and Angeltorz - Conversations - 3 - Dec.06.2010

James Horak and Angeltorz in an online conversation. Only some of the Keywords are: the EMVs, the Soul, Death, Sun, Earth, Jupiter, ET, Eisenhower, the NWO, Gulf of Mexico, Corexit, Oil, Sinkholes, Jupiter, Spirituality, Sitchin, Hoagland and a lot more that just makes sense!
Comments and questions are welcome.



The publishing of the third conversation with James Horak and Angeltorz was a bit delayed and I hope it's come out ok.

* Note from Torz* Due to certain unexpected and very upsetting circumstances that were forced upon me in January, I asked that this conversation was delayed until a more suitable time. Many of the "Insights from an Outsider" conversations were private between James and myself, however, the information and deep unified knowledge that James has about everything, I feel, should be freely available for the world to hear in order to gain a sense of clarity in where we stand currently and what we need to do to change it. James and I (and Shuny) over the last year have become very close, he is much like a father and a very trusted best friend to me ...as such, this is reflected in our conversations.

Folate and the Human Equation

I have discussed the mineral EMVs bring from it's placement in rings around planets such as Saturn. I have discussed the detrimental effects on consciousness of electricity generated in cycles at 60 cps. Now I will discuss the connection that exists of the way these two factors are opportunized by tptb to enhance their rule over the populace of this earth.

The closest most can acquire any form of folate for the diet is in the form of folic acid. That is, without access to this “mineral”. Or eating raw liver, a rather untenable option. If, however, you look at folic acid's availability in health food stores, you find that it is sold, not in milligram amounts but micrograms. By a law imposed by the FDA. This is intentionally inadequate and should be in the same amounts/percentages as ANY of the B group you might take to have a balance and not create an even higher deficiency of this B group factor of prime importance. As early as the late sixties, the grand dame of nutrition, the inimitable Adelle Davis, had written this same finding in her book 'Let's Get Well'.

In the last few years, pediatricians have broken with the AMA and FDA to recommend to expectant mothers what was formerly claimed as “toxic” doses of folic acid in order to lessen the growing trend in birth defects. At least those that didn't take their information solely from pharmaceutical companies.

Why is this so important to any equation affecting the health and welfare of earth-based humanity? It is because this created disparity in the availability of folic acid to the diet as the central cause of most disease and lessened brain function.

Let me close with this one observation that answers an important question relating to the investigation of UFO “nests”. That is, those UFO nests not left by EBE craft. Remember the impetus in the seventies to take soil samples? When the findings have been shared beyond those made by military/government incursion, folate was found as the single most in-common effect produced by the presence of the UFO involved.

Is ET trying to tell you something?

JCH

Dr. Bergrun interviewed by James Horak

Dr. Bergrun interviewed by James Horak

Extract from The Ring Makers of Saturn by Dr. Norman Bergrun.

JCH:
Q: It is highly significant if that illumination comprising the unfinished portion of the ring is an enhancement or not. I am very eager to know.

Dr. Bergrun:
A: The preferred definition of "enhance" according to the Merriam Webster Deluxe 1998 dictionary is: to increase or improve in value, quality or desirability or attractiveness. Figure 3, by increasing brightness and contrast, unexpectedly brought out a latent image (the blue). Increasing brightness scarcely qualifies as enhancement within the sense of the definition. Figure 3 says something is present below the termination of the upper ring system. The approach taken was to brighten the entire ring system using figure 2 as the working medium; and this procedure resulted in producing figure 4. Figure 4 qualifies as an enhanced image within the sense of the definition.

JCH:
Q: What I'm concerned about is, is that area where the ring is incomplete, "extended" by enhanced brightness applied to the rest of the ring, or does it naturally possess an energy field that is visual? Presumably laid down, perhaps even prior to the addition of matter to the ring? This would indicate the presence of an incredible energy field extending perhaps through the entire ring. Perhaps, even entirely independent of any gravitational influence and aside from the planet. The next question would be, why they would not utilize gravity to conserve energy and complete the ring faster. This particular ring may be different than the rest.

Dr. Bergrun:
A: The extended ring has sufficient illumination in order for the camera to have recorded its image. The extended field is not an extension caused by increasing exposure. You can not create something that is not already there in the first place. To make the arc seen, were it not really there, means that the arc would have to be painted in. I did not do that.

My interpretation of the extended ring is that it owes to emissions from the objects (Electro-Magnetic Vehicles (EMVs)) which are present there. That this energy field extends through the entire ring is speculation and certainly not evident from the data.

With respect to using gravity assist, this is all factored in or else the EMVs would not be positioned where they are found. The presence of the EMVs, indeed, does make this particular ring system uniquely different. This system contrasts with the "well-behaved" ones commonly seen, which I categorize as "classical". 

JCH: Q: When lightened, in the clip to the right, the unfinished ring in your Figure 4 has an illumination, like a phantom effect in Kirilian photography. I wanted to determine that this was not enhanced in any way upon the originals for the purpose of posing the presumption of what the "finished" ring might project.

Dr. Bergrun:
A: There was no enhancement . . . all procedures is indicated in the introductory material about the four figures. Nothing was presumed "before-the-fact" in order to obtain anything shown. It is interesting, however, that you should mention Kirilian photography. Kirilian photography is a process in which an image is obtained by application of a high-frequency electric field to an object so that it radiates a characteristic pattern of luminescence that is recorded on film or other medium. Your observation is supportive of my answer to your second question, namely, that EMVs are present and causing an electric field.

JCH:
DUAL QUESTION: "Why not simply let an orbital configuration exist to hold the matter in place as you go along, and why extend the field so far ahead of your work"?.

Dr. Bergrun:
ANS. TO FIRST QUE: Ringmakers Of Saturn Plates 5 and 6 and Figures 3 and 4 depict numerous emissions. For every emission there is a corresponding reactionary force. There is a "vectorial summary force" or more properly, a "resultant vectorial force" in each of the three physical dimensions (longitudinally, laterally, and elevationally) which can be considered to operate in each of the three planes. The size and direction of these three resultant forces are what keep the source positioned. "Trim" of these large forces is continually needed. The emitted ring itself has properties to keep it located also . . . to hold the matter in place . . . after all, the exhaust matter is still (electrically) connected to the source. Under such circumstances, nothing more is needed as the whole thing is a "shaped" magnetic field.

ANS. TO SECOND QUE: Based on the answer to the first question, extending energy forward (into the tip or elliptical area) owes to the requirement of force management, particularly that of trim, hereto mentioned. Elaborating further, the MANAGEMENT of so many forces implies some very high-level "smarts", i.e., intelligence. I infer from the foregoing deductions that the "intelligence thinking" is this: "We have so much energy at our disposal, we don't have to use it efficiently. A corollary thought is: "If we run low, we always can get to a large fuel supply".

Earthly humankind has a problem in creating high specific impulse (Isp) fuels (high Isp means high energy per unit measure). So humans are constrained in their thinking to HAVING to use fuel efficiently. This constraint certainly does not apply to the intelligence possessing the high Isp matter as inferred from the presence of a fire ball larger than Earth's moon!

IMPLIED QUESTIONS: Is the completed ellipse (figures 3 and 4) another kind of containment to hold chunks of matter in a ring?

ANS: First off, I don't see "chunks of matter" in the completed ellipse . . . it looks more like gaseous plasma. Ringmakers Of Saturn Plates 5 and 6 never revealed evidence of a completed ellipse. So my interpretation is this: The "ring-completion" effect has to do with the force balance. Therefore, it may or may not appear . . . it probably can be pulsed or "tuned" as required or desired.

JCH:
Q: Are there other characteristics in this unfinished ring relatively unique to it that you have noticed? 

Dr. Bergrun:
A:

1. No. The unfinished ring is, indeed, real as opposed to allegations to the contrary.

2. That different colors exist between the upper part of the ring system and the tip (Imaging definitely is clean and clear in the entire vicinity . . . see Figure 3), demonstrates a clear discontinuity in the nature of the ring structure. A discontinuity is a clear signal that an "input" is available, otherwise the discontinuity would not be there. Further, the difference in color of the upper part of the ring system as contrasted with the elliptical area can be construed as different matter, or a different state of matter, being present.




DISCUSSION OF THE RINGS

by Dr. Norman Bergrun

My interpretation is directed to the inception of the rings. The rings are inevitable owing to an energy source spewing "exhaust" energy (like an airplane engine spewing energy, seen as a contrail when the temperature is sufficiently low). Another way to look at the situation is: The rings are a result of something causing them. Therefore, the rings are not intentionally "constructed".

The appearance of rings is a secondary phenomena, similar to an airplane-engine "con trail" being secondary phenomena to an airplane. The intent of an airplane-engine is not "con-trail construction". The contrail is simply an inevitable by-product of engine operation.

Ringmakers of Saturn Plates 5 and 6 caused me to realize early on that the width of the A-ring is at the most no wider than the lengths of the objects in the ring. Further, the A-ring does not have a "classical" full width. That part of the A-ring is missing radially provides the clue where the rings (what there are of them) are coming from . . . namely the objects.

Upon realization that ring width correlates with object length, I raised this question: "If the inner part of the A ring is made this way, what about the outer part"? Ringmakers of Saturn Plates 7 and 8 are two examples of objects in the outer A ring with ring trails. This is where I rested my case.




ON THE NATURE OF ATYPICAL RINGS

Dr. Bergrun: COMMENT ON "SUSTAIN A LIVING ENVIRONMENT": My position on "living environment" in space is yes, there is life in space . . . organic biota, albeit different from that with which human kind is acquainted. I can not tell from Ringmakers of Saturn Plates 5 and 6, or from Figures 3 and 4 whether or not the Saturn Voyager 1 ring tips indeed contain biota. The concept of a "nursery" goes beyond the pictorial data.


JCH:
USE OF ENERGY: Statement and Question. Were the area of the ring laid down before matter was added as an energy field (whose connection this represents), the question is why use energy in this fashion?

Dr. Bergrun:
A: A hypothetical question is posed here as indicated by the use of the word "were". Nevertheless, in this assumed situation, it is difficult for me to see how one could "lay down an area". Hypothetically, let's give an order to "lay me down an area" . . . "I want to fill it". My interpretation is that laying down an area (here my meaning is laying down " boundaries" to define an area) and filling it with matter is not how the objects work. Ring shape (width) basically is controlled when the matter emerges from the objects, as heretofore discussed. Ring thickness is also governed by body geometry . . . specifically its diameter. The rings are thick near the source and become thinner the farther away the emissions are from the source. This is why researchers over the years have arrived at such a variety of values for ring thickness . . . the value depends not only on where you look, but also when you look. What Ringmakers of Saturn Plates 5 and 6 and P23870 Figures 3 and 4 show is at least one way to cause a ring to appear. This "one way" does not preclude existence of other ways.

Interview with James Horak for CAB by Milton Frank

Interview with James Horak 16th September 2007 for Centro de Ufologia Brasileiro.

Questions by Milton Frank and Cristiano Ramos
Asked by Milton and Frank Ramos Cristiano
Translation to Portuguese by Milton Frank

1 - Why did you start to study and search UFOlogy? Have you ever seen an UFO? If so, how was your experience?


Rather, I was thrust into UFOlogy at the age of four while on a trip to Texas from New Mexico when we were moving. We had my mother's brother and her first cousin with us and I was standing on the seat in the back with the cousin. It was night and I had asked him about what appeared to be a blue flame shooting out of the ground. Mistaking that for the lights at a railroad crossing on the other side of the road, he had begun to explain. Before I could point out where I was actually looking his face froze and I realized we were being bathed in white light.


The next thing I recall is my mother rigid and floating out the front side window. Then an EBE poked his head into a back side window and saw me. He seemed arrested by my appearance and the black pools of his eyes brought on in me a revulsion I can't describe. Too, I can't explain what happened next, but both his hands went up to his head and he darted away screaming. A moment later I heard clunking noises and experienced the illusion of sparks flying.


My next recollection is of a nurse coaxing me out of the car and taking me to one of several white four-cornered tents that had red crosses on them. Inside were men and women in white gowns starting to put masks over their faces. I was put on a table and something was put in my head.


All my childhood, any mention of this experience would bring a pat response from my mother, "you were in an accident and it made you afraid of cars". I once spoke to my uncle and his response was, "Margaret (my mother) would kill me if I told you".


Throughout my life have been UFO experiences, contact and communication with a MIB I can name, an UFO event and my awareness of numerous "follow-up" experiences practiced on me subsequent to the attempted abduction.


2 - What have you been researching? What have you been working on UFO phenomena nowadays?

I am refining the last of an expression of a theory of mine. I call it the Theory of the Fusion of Metals. It is both an alternative way of looking at the elements and combines that with the allowance of an additional factor in the configuring of an astral body's gravity. Along with volume and density is figured the effects of the star system in which the body is located to achieve gravity wave. Utilizing attenuation to gravity wave, such precision to navigation can be achieved homing to its location from any point in space can provide the most efficient routing. I believe it possible to derive drive as well through this attenuation on the basis of how might bodies in space sharing the same gravity wave conduit through what the ancients called aether, a term that might express better some matter we now express as element when in reality they are the same elementally but of different form. Find what accelerates change between the two and expect it to perform as drive when alternated.

I also at present am working on a way to formulate statistical analysis of UFO sightings along factors shared in common to provide for the utilization of what I feel is science's best tool in dealing with causal possibility. What can help overcome the unwillingness of so many ufologists today to think outside the box. That tool, of course, is probability. It is my contention that enough data already exits to start constructing models to project explanations along probability curves, no matter how incredible those explanations might seem to some.


3- What is your opinion about Abductions? Do you believe it is possible?

Invasive abductions are not the conduct of an advanced species upon another that can be justified on any but the most preliminary basis. That there appears to be continued employment of the abduction scenario by the EBE (important to distinguish the EBE - Extra(terrestrial)-Biological-Entity - from E.T.) and from my own personal experience, as well as the early-on USAF classification of EBE in its nomenclature, in doing this repeatedly, two possibilities come to mind. Either EBEs are aberrant or their scenario is being enacted by earth-based humans under their own agenda.

As far as preliminary probes, like one in a Soviet city's public park a number of years back and that in your own neighborhood, on a remote island that continued over the course of weeks, the bizarre natures of both indicate an entirely different scenario. Mostly though these do not reoccur as do similar bizarre "probes" past and present. More forgivable, they signify an exploring species simply trying to discover the nature of what they've found, neither to exploit it nor to contaminate it in any way. That cannot be said, however, for the Extra Biological Entities... nor for their possible earth-based counterparts. Therefore it is vital to make the same discernment for probing as distinguished from abductions as it is, extraterrestrials as distinguished from EBEs.


4- What are your opinion about the dimensions theory? Do you think it can be possible?

If one grants that time travel is possible, now or ever, then it is here now. That realization escapes many but it is as inevitable to truth as it is to its potential to impact on interdimensional aspects of both travel and alteration of matter. Somewhere along this line of potential chaos someone must step in and prevent what would promise to become total dissolution of the universe. Just as someone must be at the helm in protecting any planet of the lineage to accommodate the process of life to intelligence from its chaotic fusion star's discharges like our sun's coronal mass ejections.

To this effect it would be an inevitable truth that clearly any emerging planet-wide culture approaching specific technological advances would have to be policed. It is, if not apparent, and then likely, we have reached this nexus point.


5- What are the most important points that an UFOlogy searcher has to learn to do a good job?

The researcher needs to obtain competence with several disciplines. The searcher, however, of sometimes greater importance, has the luxury of stepping out of the box more, in the tradition of both explorer and in possession of a greater allowance for possibility.

It is the searcher most likely to have close contacts and it is the searcher most likely to be less limited in perception to what he finds. The inexplicability of any anomalous phenomena reverses the scientific approach because the anomaly by definition has already alluded the conventional approach to resolution.

In rare instances men like Hynek and Keel come along who bring the best of both worlds. That is why the marks they have left on the entire field of UFOlogy have been so respected and enduring.


6- What would you say to a young man that intends to be an UFOlogy searcher?

It doesn't hurt to acquire methodology but good overview (seeming inobtainable by many in this arena) requires actual diligence in the field. Else you find yourself in the all-too-human loop of, "whether or not you believe" and/or "what you can say to defend what you think you believe any particular moment. That kind of ambivalence is causing the whole community of ufologists in the United States to engage in fruitless never-ending and pointless debate.

Frankly I would say, do what is necessary for you yourself to resolve the issue beforehand, before you spend time and resource further on something you are uncertain is worthwhile for a better commitment. If you have the diligence, most anyone can find enough evidence to make up their own mind, one way or the other. If you do decide this phenomenon is real, in the sense of vital and deserving of you, establish a moral core of your own since so many are going to start working against you that will allow you to prosper in your goals in the face of unhealthy cynicism and debunking.

Look at healthy cynicism appreciatively. The people with it are honest, sincere and making effort. They are your friends. Show them what you have and wait on them to decide for themselves. Never point to anything as a smoking gun or final solution. No such thing exists.

Maybe not now, but later, out of regard for the way you handled yourself, they will become closer to the openness you have.


7- What is the most important UFO case you've been involved with? Does it give you a hard time? Was it difficult to research?

Just before Christmas in 1962, Sasebo Harbor, Japan, USS Kennebec. Early morning a series of lights came over the mountains and formed a V directly over the well deck of this tanker. The following day many of the deck hands working late into the morning from the previous day had odd accidents, some nervous breakdowns. I was one and was sent ashore to a base hospital, and then to the USN Hospital at Akuska. While at Akuska I was followed by a military intelligence officer each time we went on liberty. So much so he and I became friends and I retain his picture, name and address to this day. It was understood that I would be given a medical discharge while I was still at Sasebo. The doctor there had surmised that the captain, W. H. House, had "gone over the edge" placing his men in jeopardy simply to win ratings for the ship (hash marks to go on the stack.) I said nothing about the lights until I was asked directly about them. Then I recounted that, since they appeared to be doing things that they couldn't have (been doing). I must have been suffering from overwork and not eating for an entire day. That was my story all along and everyone found that very pleasing, but it was hardly the whole truth.

But it didn't end there.


8- Have you ever thought that UFO phenomenon could not be from the space? How do you feel dealing with UFO phenomenon?

Some UFO phenomenon are certainly based from earth. Some are experimental and some are manifested residually from manifestations I believe are deep within earth's crust like the Marfa Lights. One clue I know about was my great uncle's discovery, he called it the Moon Shaft, in the Tatra Mountains of Eastern Europe. If you wish to read his article it can be found here. Although access to that seems to come and go.

Although the UFO phenomenon seems to have found me, I would have found it in short order had it not. It amazes me how anyone can come to terms with their life not investigating to their ability's worth, just what this is.


9- What is your opinion about UFOlogy future?

Although the time scale is uncertain, the intent of those that suppress and deny the truth about UFO event and its evidence are the very ones that hold NATO and the United Nations tightly within their fists. The people that are the inner-most core of The Council of Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission, the people that are orchestrating their New World Order. To do such a thing they require the total absence of any alternative model for the people of the earth to make comparison... indeed the necessity of something like creating a perception of alien threat has been discussed by them repeatedly as a way of better instrumenting their image as peacekeeper and savior.

They are remiss to think their plans anymore than counter-evolutionary and that the activities already tied to them will simply be ignored. Their sale of a long term feudal state based on an undisclosed social contract the whole world is expected to abide will not long be abided. And when it’s over, so will be the secrecy that has kept us all from the unfolding of realities more limitless than the imagination.


10- After all these years researching, what is your best definition to the UFO phenomenon? What did you learn from it?

The UFO phenomenon has no beginning, no end. It is the perception of what travels upon its way close to our world, perhaps on to others. Confounded by its mystery, we are left in limbo, but there is a way out. Begin that way out by being unafraid of confronting what you know in terms understandable to those that would challenge you out of either ignorance or fear.


11- I really would like you to leave a message to The Brazilian UFOlogy Center. Right now we have more than 38.800 members and they really would like to hear what you have to say to them

Victor Hugo, Les Miserables "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...." Indeed, you are children of the Universe. Upon your shoulders rests your right to claim your role in it. Never was there more need for courage and forth-rightness. Have faith in your pursuits and realize the importance of your endeavors.

I say this to you, people of Brazil, nation fresh to idea and not yet slave to mindset. Don't let what has happened in my country happen in yours.

When Dr. Norman Bergrun wrote, Ringmakers of Saturn, his colleagues, other scientists at NASA and JPL, did not scoff or ridicule him, it was ufologists. Yet his data came from raw images that his very work at JPL so entitled him to study. The EMVs, as he came to call them, have been observed countless times throughout our solar system and in sizes from that of a football field to that of the North American continent.

Their role in the scheme of things may be more significant to our work than any other single context. But how would one know if one doesn't read the book? I've yet to find an ufologist that has...yet all have an opinion. You can guess what that is.

Don't be like this. You will got nothing done...indeed you will be in constant threat of losing any ground you make. I have seen that happen over and over again, and not just in UFOlogy, but other anomaly research.

Always know there is nothing of importance anywhere that would mock or belittle sincere and honest pursuit of truth. If I can do one thing I would always treasure it would be to encourage among others that one conviction.

My heart is with you,

James C. Horak (JCH)